xen Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Hey guys, I took a test drive of spaleta_9 RS 172 yesterday, and loved it. Also liked the look of spaleta_9's, nicely modded. But it's got quiet a bit done to it that I'm not really interested in, so it up's the price for stuff I don't need. So taking a look around to see what else is available. And comparing it to spaleta_9's. One I am taking a look at this week is 2003 RS Clio with Traction Control (big plus for me, I am a big fan of TC). It's got about 60,000km on it. Colour is "Blue Metallic", Rego YER88C. Located in Canberra, and has full service history. Wondering know's anything about this car? What should I be looking for? And what about service history. From what I gather, 60,000km service is an exxy one because of accessories belt. As it's got under 60,000km, might not have been done. Having said that, I think I read somewhere that 100,000km service for timing belt should be done after 4 (or was it 5?) years. So therefore it should have already been done? If it hasn't, should I be doing it when I buy the car? In which case, I should budget the $1000-$1500 into the price. Hopefully I'll be joining you guys on the road soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielG Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Sound like me I drove chef32's 172 yesterday morning as he's going to be selling in a few weeks and I'm in love... As far as I know, the accessories belt isn't too expensive to change - it's the cam belts that is the killer. They *may* have had them done already - if not, then I'd be haggling the price down because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Welcome. It will be hard to find an example that comes close to Spaleta's - it's mint! Check out this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9203 Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 21, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Thanks guys. Spleta's is in very good nick, and looks very nice. Looks well looked after. Love the wheels on it too. Just found this: http://www.ca***rvice.com.au/car-servic ... elid=11160 $2000 for the major service (being Canberra, I am sure we pay at the high end!). If the car has 60,000km on it, but it's 6 years old. Do I need to do the 100,000km service or do I just wait and do that when it actually reaches 100,000? Thanks for the link walkie, I will take a look at that thread. Any idea what I should be paying for a 2003 with 60,000km on it? Totally stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielG Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 This is taken from the CS clio guides area: "On top of this servicing are other things that need to be done regardless of mileage Cam belt and aux belt shouldn’t be any older than 5yrs. Brake fluid should be changed ever 4 yrs Central locking buttons battery changed every 2 yrs Coolant changed every 4 yrs or 72k whichever is earlier. Fuel filter changed ever 150k Airbags and pretensioner system changed ever 10 years." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS-172 Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 What parts do you not want on the car. TBH that car i have seen and is immaculate, Adam even drove almost 3 hours each way to get it serviced by one of the brrst independent mechanic in Sydney. That should give you an indication of the attendtion to detail, Plus if you want to get rid of the turinis / konis / eibachs or ICE im sure you could post up the bits and see what you can get for them...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 21, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 I think that he's given it a lot of care and attention. Only part I'd really get rid of are the amps/subs. I have a dog who I take in the back of my car couple times a week. So have the amps and sub there will just get in the way. Other than that it's not that I would get rid of the parts, just unnessary for me. So why pay extra. 15.5k for it with 100,000km if I can get one with 60,000km for the same price or less (I know of 2 atm, one stock, and one modded for sale). I am sure the mods costed a lot, those wheels were over $3000 from what he tells me. And so if you want those wheels, the springs and the brakes etc then you're getting a great deal. If on the other hand they are just an added bonus, the lack of ESP, extra 2 years, and 40,000km on the car isn't worth it. (No offence Spletea! Before having a look at your car it was just taking a look because i was already down in far south Canberra. And now I want one!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 21, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Any advice guys? How much I should be offered? Does it matter that the timing belt hasn't been changed? Do I need to do that straight away? ------ It is in all original condition and no modification has been dome by me or previous owner.(I'm a second owner) It has last been serviced by National Capital Mortors(Renault dealer) in April/07 It has done only 4700km since as I've purchased a larger car for my family. So basically I've only driven it around the suburb once a week to keep it's condition and I've changed the engine oil(Castrol fully synthetic) once a year to keep it fresh. The front tyres have been changed in early 08 at Bob Jane. I've tried to find an invoice for the last service but havent been able to do so yet. (will let you know once found) I think I paid fair bit of money($900+) and I remember they changed one of several belts but I think the timing belt hasn't been changed yet since new. There are a few small dents and scratches but difficult to show by photos. I haven't had any accedents since I purchased it 3 years ago at 46000km( so I've driven 10000km since.) Exhaust, lights, auto wiper, power windows and other electric parts are working fine. But not sure how to check the engine mount. No strange vibrations or other noses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Welcome Xen... Just for info regarding servicing, there are no longer any Renault dealers in Canberra but we have a Renault specialist in Alpine Motors in Phillip. My timing belt was around $900 through Alpine. But yes definitely use the timing belt as a bargaining tool, it is due at 4 years regardless of k's as you have discovered. As far as price goes, there's plenty of them on carsales to give you an idea, however, if the guys on here are saying spaleta's is one of the best examples they've seen then that is saying a lot, they know their Clio's!! Good luck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teki04 Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Good luck trying to find one better than Spaleta's! That car is absolutely amazing. If only I had the spare cash lying around... his car definitely tempts me back to a Clio! Good luck with the search; you may need to look out of Canberra to find a few more examples. Hope to see you around here in the future though With a Clio 172 of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Hi Xen, Welcome aboard, especially when you find your Clio... don't give up, they are worth it. That add looks very familiar to me, is it a black one? I'm sure i have seen that add before when i was hunting, and that was a loooooonnnng time ago. What ever service he says it has done, make sure he finds that evidence of service. Otherwise, it doesn't count, in my opinion. Keep us posted and yes, factor a few services PLUS a few other bits and pieces that may need repairs. I did lots of homework when i purchased mine, but still had to pay an extra $800 on things that came up within 2 weeks of purchasing. So basically... Budget well. Cheers, WOLF also sent you a PM - private message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 21, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 Thanks for the feedback guys. The guys been trying to sell it since MAY 2009. So a long time, so either he hasn't had much interest, there is something wrong with it, or he just doesn't care about selling and won't lower the price. It's actually the same blue as Spaleta's which I believe is Monaco Blue. I haven't tested another one yet, so maybe after I check out another one I'll realise how much better his handles. Although, as I said, wish it had Traction Control. If it did i'd be a lot more keen. Time will tell. I am not in a real rush to buy anything, in fact I just got a years rego on my falcon 3 weeks ago! But just getting tired of driving a crappy car around and want something nice and fun to drive. My budget is really a max max of 15k, don't want to spend more than that. And closer to 10k would be better, but I am willing to pay more for the right car. But if anyone happens to find a good deal on here, or carsales, or anywhere else. Please let me know! I am willing to travel to NSW/VIC for the right car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 I assume you're in Sydney?... or am i way off? WOLF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS-172 Posted 21, September 2009 Report Share Posted 21, September 2009 swings and roundabouts on the ESP / Traction etc.. Clios are pretty neutral and ive never really felt that i needed it, however agree in that its a good nice to have safety item. Goodluck with the browsing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 22, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 I'm in Canberra not Sydney. But willing to travel to Sydney to buy a car. I'm assumnig that I'll never really need ESP, but in an emergecy it can easily save peoples lives. Personally I think ESP is the biggest safety invention since the seatbelt, and a lot of car reviewers/nrma/etc agree. If I was buying a new car, I would only get something with ESP even if was an extra couple grand. So I guess I should do the same buying second hand. In terms of 182 vs 172, I've read this post: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4031 But wondering how much real world difference there is. Is it worth the extra cash for a 2004 172 vs 2004 182 (non-cup)? Also on the issue of 182 cup, I though they came with different (charcoal colour) wheels than the non-cup. but most of them on Carsales appear to have the same wheels as the standard 182. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 I'm assumnig that I'll never really need ESP, but in an emergecy it can easily save peoples lives. Personally I think ESP is the biggest safety invention since the seatbelt, and a lot of car reviewers/nrma/etc agree. If I was buying a new car, I would only get something with ESP even if was an extra couple grand. So I guess I should do the same buying second hand. In terms of 182 vs 172, I've read this post: http://www.ozrenaultsport.com/bb/viewto ... f=1&t=4031 But wondering how much real world difference there is. Is it worth the extra cash for a 2004 172 vs 2004 182 (non-cup)? Also on the issue of 182 cup, I though they came with different (charcoal colour) wheels than the non-cup. but most of them on Carsales appear to have the same wheels as the standard 182. 182 Cup has charcoal wheels. 182 non-Cup has silver wheels - they're the same design though. ESP? If you want it, go for it. 182 - Better colours, cruise control, better wheels, newer. 172 - 6-stacker, lighter, spare wheel well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 Clios are pretty neutral and ive never really felt that i needed it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS-172 Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 In terms of 182 vs 172, I've read this post: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4031But wondering how much real world difference there is. Is it worth the extra cash for a 2004 172 vs 2004 182 (non-cup)? Depends, 182s are natually going to be newer and have less kilometres, in terms of performance there isnt really alot of difference, 182s have a bit more midrange with the 4-2-1 manifold and exhaust. 172 gives you a spare & CD stacker, 182 gives 16in wheels, Aux in update Headunit, guarantee of ESP, Cruise control.. Also on the issue of 182 cup, I though they came with different (charcoal colour) wheels than the non-cup. but most of them on Carsales appear to have the same wheels as the standard 182. 182 cups had the Charcol wheels, the majority of 182s sold were cups so you will probably see the charcol wheel as the default on the 182s that are for sale.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS-172 Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 Clios are pretty neutral and ive never really felt that i needed it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadrid-182 Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 Clios are pretty neutral and ive never really felt that i needed it... You a bad bad boy Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 The 182's note sound better at high revs. From what i know, Jareds black is stock and sounds different form the other 172's. Check out the drive by - Either watch from the beginning or just go 4o seconds into it. The other 172's are before it though. Cheers, WOLF If you can find a 182 for a price you like, grap it... think it may suit what you are looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 22, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 Thanks for the info guys. Looking at a 2004 182 and 2004 172 both around the 15k mark. Major differences are 172 has minors mods, inc nicer wheels, sunroof and exhuast (not so keen on the exhuast). 172 Also has 60,000km just had the timing belt changed. 182 has springs, 75,000km and hasn't had the timing belt changed but would need it done going by the 4 year change. Plus the one in canberra with 2003 model, 60,000km, but he is asking $15,800. So would really want to get him down to 12000ish ideally since it needs the timing belt done asap. Decisions decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 22, September 2009 Report Share Posted 22, September 2009 Can't help but lean towards the 182, but either sound good so far. WOLF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted 25, September 2009 Author Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 Quick question again guys. I can find differences between cup and non-cup for the UK, but was about the aus spec models? As far as I can tell the differences are just: Different coloured alloys Upgraded suspension So a 182 non-cup with upgraded suspension would be just as good as the cup model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 Pretty close i would think. Uk didn't have air cond i think...so were slightly lighter. Not sure if anything else there. Next step was the trophy, but that's another jump in suspension and set up. As for here: - Alloys same weight - Exhaust manifold same 4-2-1 - maaaaybe gear ratios and/or setup.... Were they tuned differently? Now i'm really interested too! Cheers WOLF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 Quick question again guys. I can find differences between cup and non-cup for the UK, but was about the aus spec models? As far as I can tell the differences are just: Different coloured alloys Upgraded suspension So a 182 non-cup with upgraded suspension would be just as good as the cup model? Check the FAQ or Clio II section. 182 non-cup with upgraded suspension will always be different to a 182 cup simply because it's not factory suspension. Some argue that the koni yellow/eibach setup for 172s & 182 non-cups is just as good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 Couldn't one get the factory suspension and add it to the non-cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS-172 Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 more than suspension, hubs are bigger etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dish Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 Welcome The Aussie 182 was available in what the UK lads refer to as "Full Fat" - ie all the luxury items ticked (except for SatNav I guess) - with the option of the Cup suspension pack (stiffer springs, charcoal wheels, bigger hubs, quicker ratio steering rack). So no other changes to the gearbox, interior or anything like that. There were also the two limited edition Cups that came out in 2005 with factory Gordini stripes and a larger rear spoiler (30x FRB "F1" and 15x FRB/15x orange "LE"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 I almost bought a Cup LE then my one popped up with a sunroof, better condition interior and was 5g cheaper. It's a non-cup but with the money i saved i could easily get a better aftermarket solution. It was a 1.5g difference when new for the cup so i wouldn't think of trying to get cup suspension when for a bit extra i could get some bilsteins or coilovers and have a better set up. It just depends if you can be bothered to justify it. It's always been in the back of my mind but I'm pretty content with the way my 182 handles as it is. I'd say its more important to look at the condition of the cars themselves as there isnt a vast, vast difference between all the clios. A clean 172 is better than an abused 182 cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 25, September 2009 Report Share Posted 25, September 2009 Hubs?... interesting. So different offset, brakes..just trying to think of what's not interchangable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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