Renault Sport 225 (Not A Cup)

[Jazon]

Hi, 

I'm quite new to the Renault forum and have just got into the Renault scene. Over the past few weeks i've been looking for fast p plate legal cars, that was when i came across the Renault Megane 225 (PHASE II). I believe there are many variants (plz correct me if i'm wrong): 

- Renault Sport 225 

- Renault Sport 225 Cup 

- Renault Sport F1 Team 

- Renault Sport F1 Team R26 

- Renault Sport R26R ( the holy grail)

 

I've got my eyes on a Renault Sport 225 for sale for about 12.8k on car sales but I want to know if it is really worth it? especially for 12.8k 

 

I don't really know much about them, the issues i might be facing and what i'm getting myself into.

 

It would be much appreciated if you guys could show me some love by providing your opinions on this issue. 

 

Cheers, 

Jason

Edited 9, April 2016 by Jazon

[toshin]

Correct with the variants. Cannot buy the r26.R here

Nothing wrong with that price depending on kms, service and general condition. Obviously haggle etc.

 

I've been told that in general the Meganes have less issues than the clios (equivalent yr model)

I can agree with this, although in fairness my Clio was pretty issue free too.

[handyman0708]

Hi Jason,

 

Being a Euro hot hatch, while amazing fun to drive, and I love my 06 Ph2 3dr, as a P-plater perhaps show a little caution with ownership. These can be quite expensive to maintain when compared to anything Jap or AU domestic. There is fairly limited access under the bonnet for the 'do it your self' crew (such as myself). Often there is not a lot of options for aftermarket parts, with the most often suggested option being to order from the UK and have airfreighted to AUS as an alternative to factory genuine. I am at an age, with the resources to be able to spend the money on my car with little concern when needed. As you are on your "P's", you are probably young and have limited funds to be able to spend on the car (in other words, I think you are looking for something affordable that you can drive the wheels off, without having to spend heaps on maintenance). Sydney along with Melbourne, from what I have read on the forum, has some top notch Renault workshops that are both welcoming and highly rated with Renault expertise. I have not had the chance to work with any of these businesses being based in QLD. Their charges for service work may be far more reasonable than what I have found up here. Generally, the costs to have fairly basic stuff done are quite high. Basic timing belt, for example, around $1000 and fairly commonly agreed, beyond the scope of do it yourself.

[Jazon]

toshin

 

Thanks for your advice man! Also, the car has about 107,000km on it 

handyman0708

 

Thanks for your opinions. I was initially in the market for something more japanese but when I began researching about Renaults I fell in love with the megane 225 and the clio 3 rs. I've done some research on tuning shops and aftermarket parts and all I can find is K-tec racing. It's a shame that after market parts are limited for renaults.  

 

Also, quite recently (2014) the p plate laws have changed for NSW and so the renault megane 225 is now p plate legal in NSW compared to other states. Hence, why i'm very keen on getting one myself.  

Edited 9, April 2016 by Jazon

[handyman0708]

Just a little contextualisation of my above opinion. I currently have 2 P plate drives in my household. Both full time students with part time jobs. One has an Astra Sri Turbo hatch, so I am not anti-turbo cars for P plate drivers. If either one had to maintain my Megane, totally stock standard, not even with an RS tune on it, it would just cripple them financially. Search the forum posts for things like cost of brake pads or clutch replacement. Often special Renault tools needed even to replace the alternator/ air con drive belt- very difficult to do without the correct gear.

 

But- get these cars out on a piece of great driver road and they will give so much back to you. OK around town, but much, much better in open flowing space.

Also- check out insurance rates. At $12.8k if you have to take out finance, most finance contracts have a condition the car must be comprehensively insured. P-plate plus turbo, plus Euro, plus on finance, probably between $2000 to $3000 per year.

And at least 95 premium unleaded with 98 being the preferred option.

[fah225]

Hi Jazon,

 

There's a cruise in Sydney on the 17th April, I'm sure everyone on here is pretty friendly, and would let you ride along with them. At least give you an idea on how each car performs.

[Jazon]

handyman0708

 

Wow it must be quite hard to maintain a 225 then. I'll take this into consideration. Thanks again for the advice! 

 

fah225

 

Thanks fah 225, but I'm going to have to pass on this one since my schedule is quite packed. lol 

[No152]

And now for an opposing view... All the advice here already is completely sound and valid. Handyman's comments are spot on in each respect. That all said, if you are an enthusiast and love your cars, maybe give it a try. They are the best car to drive by far and in the price brackets for each model, completely unmatched.

Things will cost a bit if they break as all 10 year old cars will. Just be prepared to spend the maintenance $$ and maybe have it checked out by one of the specialists before buying.  Renotech in Sydney very highly regarded, so maybe try there first.  That way (bar unforeseen breakages) you will know what you are up for and can evaluate on that basis.

If it fits the budget, try it and see. You will love RS cars and probably be ruined thereafter as they are awesome.

Eyes wide open but don't die wondering "what if"....

My two cents worth....

Great name btw.....
 

Edited 9, April 2016 by No152

[fah225]

Hi Jazon,

 

There's a cruise in Sydney on the 17th April, I'm sure everyone on here is pretty friendly, and would let you ride along with them. At least give you an idea on how each car performs.

... To continue, in regards to issues or expenses.

I've had a few minor issues with my 08 225 cup. I think it more comes down to awareness of when you feel something is not right with your car. (My control arm a few weeks ago [emoji848])

Cost wise I did a clutch last year with Renault-tech, it's not as bad as what you may think. Not saying it's better than a garage job on a skyline or Silvia for that matter but definately can get things done on the cost effective side if you do your research and see the right people.

[Jazon]

No152

 

Hahaha thanks Jason, 

I better save up quickly for any unforeseen maintenance costs then. 

fah225

 

Oh I see. Thanks fah 225, that sure takes off a lot of stress in terms of maintenance. I would have liked a 200sx or silvia but the demand for them has been increasing and so their prices have shot through the roof. I guess the 225 is the best bang for your buck for about 12k 

[DOOOOK]

Welcome Jazon! You're choosing the best Renault model of all. (Yes I'm biased.)

 

Two things for me, detailed service history prior to purchase and preventative maintenance using reputable workshops. This has given me a trouble free car to date and I track mine.

 

Check out the Members Ride section as there are a few 225 owners there sharing their experience.

 

Enjoy!

[No152]

I guess the 225 is the best bang for your buck for about 12k 

 

 

Best bang for buck at twice that price.  And great looking as well!!!  Lots of knowledge and assistance on the forum here to help with advice and set you in the right direction in relation to the RS brand.

[handyman0708]

In 1982 I had a red Lancia Beta Coupe all lined up to buy the next day- then I listened to my father, who then, sounded al lot like I do now. Didn't buy the Lancia and regretted it ever since. Yes it was Italian, rare, highly strung, unreliable and just the most exciting car I had ever given up to that point (including the thundering 5.3l V12 Jaguar E type I had the opportunity to play with for a whole day- no thank you very much you can have this back now).

 

Regretted up until 2005- found a pretty good Lancia Beta Coupe- bought it, lived it, payed for the experience of owning an exotic rare car- loved it- got over it. 

 

Perhaps don't listen too much to grumpy old people like me.

[Jazon]

DOOOOK

 

Thanks 'dooook'! I'll take into consideration the service history of the car of the car when looking for one. 

No152

 

It's definitely a friendly forum with loads of assistance. Hopefully, I'll be an RS owner soon  

handyman0708

 

hahaha I understand why it might be too big of a hassle in owning a renault 225 but i'm determined to get one regardless of the maintenance costs. There's just something about the history of Renault and the RS community that seems unique to all other car groups out there.  

[No152]

DOOOOK

 

Thanks 'dooook'! I'll take into consideration the service history of the car of the car when looking for one. 

No152

 

It's definitely a friendly forum with loads of assistance. Hopefully, I'll be an RS owner soon  

handyman0708

 

hahaha I understand why it might be too big of a hassle in owning a renault 225 but i'm determined to get one regardless of the maintenance costs. There's just something about the history of Renault and the RS community that seems unique to all other car groups out there.  

 

 

That's the spirit!!  Look forward to reading your "member's ride" thread on your new RS225!!

 

And I think you will find them pretty bullet proof, and with the right care and attention will reward as a driver's car for certain. 

[Jazon]

No152

 

It certainly is a true drivers car! 

[toshin]

... To continue, in regards to issues or expenses.

I've had a few minor issues with my 08 225 cup. I think it more comes down to awareness of when you feel something is not right with your car. (My control arm a few weeks ago [emoji848])

Cost wise I did a clutch last year with Renault-tech, it's not as bad as what you may think. Not saying it's better than a garage job on a skyline or Silvia for that matter but definately can get things done on the cost effective side if you do your research and see the right people.

 

 

This exactly.

Most of my JDM friends expected me to have an endless list of issues.

In fact, the only ones which happened were due to mods, and user error.

If you are happy to do some research when issues seem to be arising, and for parts, I find it only costs around 10-20% more than my previous JDM cars. The upper end of that figure is also because with my japanese cars, I could and would go to a few cheap garages (with my own oils and parts)

 

One thing to take note though - If you are someone who intends to buy heaps of bits and pieces for mods/ wheels etc, these aren't the best cars - the Meg 2 in particular. Good luck finding wheels with the stupidly rare pcd and offset.

Edited 9, April 2016 by toshin

[handyman0708]

I assume this is the one from you original post from the description you gave-

 

http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Renault-Megane-2006/OAG-AD-12594670/?Cr=1

 

So does this look familiar to anyone on the forum? - previous forum member car? If someone does know this car they may be able to shed some light on the history/ previous ownership. There are a few other options out there with similar km and price, but might mean an interstate trip. These are an enthusiast car so be patient and make sure you select wisely. Also while the reputation of the steering of the Phase 1 is not as good as the Phase 2 there are a few low km examples with claimed full service history.

[timelord9]

Hi Jazon

 

I bought my first RS about november 14. It was a 225 lux ph.1 (standard) being sold as a phase 2. I chose not to get it independently assessed which was probably a mistake, as at least then I would have known what I was buying. 

 

So far, the car has been fantastic. I bought it for $10500 with 55k on the clock. My bills so far are: 

 

- replacement 2nd key - $320 (I knew this when I bought it)

- new headunit and steering wheel controls (utterly necessary if you ask me) - $400

- timing belt fitted - $600

- 60k major service - $900

- 2 engine mounts fitted- $300

- 2 tyres (due to puntures FFS!) - $350

- RS Tuner - $500

- short shift mod - $100

 

So from my point of view I think that's quite reasonable and apart from the tyre cost, nothing unexpected at all. 

 

If you've got a bit of a savings buffer I say go for it. However, at $12800 you're almost at the cost of a cup car, which have much nicer wheels IMHO and is probably a better drive. I'd try and get a standard 225 for around 10k (depending on what needs doing) or go for a cup car.

 

Good luck! 

 

Matt

[alastair]

Hi Jazon

 

I bought my first RS about november 14. It was a 225 lux ph.1 (standard) being sold as a phase 2. I chose not to get it independently assessed which was probably a mistake, as at least then I would have known what I was buying.

 

So far, the car has been fantastic. I bought it for $10500 with 55k on the clock. My bills so far are:

 

- replacement 2nd key - $320 (I knew this when I bought it)

- new headunit and steering wheel controls (utterly necessary if you ask me) - $400

- timing belt fitted - $600

- 60k major service - $900

- 2 engine mounts fitted- $300

- 2 tyres (due to puntures FFS!) - $350

- RS Tuner - $500

- short shift mod - $100

 

So from my point of view I think that's quite reasonable and apart from the tyre cost, nothing unexpected at all.

 

If you've got a bit of a savings buffer I say go for it. However, at $12800 you're almost at the cost of a cup car, which have much nicer wheels IMHO and is probably a better drive. I'd try and get a standard 225 for around 10k (depending on what needs doing) or go for a cup car.

 

Good luck!

 

Matt

What was that $100 short shift if you dont mind me asking?

 

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[Jazon]

toshin

 

Thanks toshin. I was thinking of modifying it but I guess it's best to keep it mostly stock for the time being. I guess the car itself is already good since the guys at Renault Sport are pure driving enthusiasts 

handyman0708

 

Hahaha that's the exact one i've got my eyes on. I'll be going to look at it tomorrow so hopefully all is well. Everything looks well from the pictures however, the front plastic lip looks a bit old and worn out as well as the brakes. Is that a usual thing? 

timelord9

 

Thanks Matt. The car is listed at 12.8k and it probably is a bit too much for a 225 so hopefully negotiations will get it down to 10-11k (lower the better) 

[alastair]

Thought I'd chuck in my two cents. Maybe it'd be a good idea to have a look further down the market? I bought my 225, with a nice ammount of mods (quaife!) with 170k for around $6k and change. The car is super clean as well, and although the timing belt needs doing in the next few months, I'm really happy overall. This price bracket leaves money for mods and maintenance with still a lot of change. Just a thought that I thought would be worth putting out there. Good luck mate!

 

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Edited 9, April 2016 by alastair

[Jazon]

I am sorry to say that the little blue Renault 225 is SOLD. I couldn't believe it. I checked the car as best I could and noticed it was running fine. Engine was good, interior was good but left windows didn't work, front brake pads needed to be replaced and I noticed the back box had been cut. Oh well. The search continues...

If any does notice a Renault Megane 225 (normal, cup, F1 team, or R26) for sale at a dealership in NSW could you please notify me. or even a Renault Clio 3 RS! 

 

Cheers and thanks for your help!

Edited 10, April 2016 by Jazon

[Sahto]

Hi, sorry if this is an old post now but I own a Megane 225 Phase II on red Ps. Maintanence costs are not as extreme as you would expect for a European car and the reliability is extremely good for French car reputation. Just factor in the cost of brake pads, timing belt if it needs it, tyres, etc. Fuel is pretty good for a performance car so I wouldn't worry about that, as long as you are earning a reasonable income you should be sweet. Insurance is probably the biggest hit but hey what can you do if you're under 25. Try to insure it under your parents name with yourself as a secondary driver if possible, saves heaps.

 

Other than that, performance wise the car is incredible. I let my mates drive it and they were blown away by the sheer power it can push through the front wheels. Even I can barely believe it's P legal. Handling is top notch as well, only a little bit of weight transfer through really tight sextions. The 225 is incredibly soft compared to my father's 265 Cup but still holds its own really well while maintaining a soft ride. Aftermarket options are available through K-Tec or Demon Tweeks and are plentiful if you want more power. It isn't a DIY car, as mentioned. You can't just go in and fiddle with sh*t like a Japanese car but they are customisable. If you do it you just have to do it right.

 

That's my words of advice, good luck with your decision mate

 

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