Bray_99 Posted 18, March 2013 Report Share Posted 18, March 2013 Hi Guys I was wondering if any one can help me out I have a renault Clio 2004 Expression 16V, it starts fine when cold but after driving for about half an hour if I stop somewhere and then go to start it again it won't start just clicks. If I wait 10mins it starts fine happens pretty regularly, any ideas would be greatly appreciated Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 18, March 2013 Report Share Posted 18, March 2013 Welcome mate. Possibly a loose connection somewhere that is expanding when warm? Have a search on here for TDC issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy93 Posted 18, March 2013 Report Share Posted 18, March 2013 Coolant temp sensor? If the car thinks its cold, it will be running too rich and flooding the engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray_99 Posted 19, March 2013 Author Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 Thanks for the tip, i'll have a crack let you know how I go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffyn Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 Check the fuel pump too (not quite sure how you'd do that, but there you go). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 I have a similar issue, but only when cold. Started about 6-8 weeks ago. Doesn't seem to matter how long or short I crank for the first time, it starts instantly the second time. It always used to start first time every time. The only thing I can remember doing around that time was replace the inlet manifold gasket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy93 Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 I have a similar issue, but only when cold. Started about 6-8 weeks ago. Doesn't seem to matter how long or short I crank for the first time, it starts instantly the second time. It always used to start first time every time. The only thing I can remember doing around that time was replace the inlet manifold gasket. Sounds like the fuel pump/rail losing pressure. Is it fastchip mapped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krappy Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 I thought RS Clio's were renowned for starting on the second go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy93 Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 I thought RS Clio's were renowned for starting on the second go? RS tuner usually fixes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 I have a similar issue, but only when cold. Started about 6-8 weeks ago. Doesn't seem to matter how long or short I crank for the first time, it starts instantly the second time. It always used to start first time every time. The only thing I can remember doing around that time was replace the inlet manifold gasket. Sounds like the fuel pump/rail losing pressure. Is it fastchip mapped? Yes it is Fastchip, always used to start first go. I was also thinking the fuel rail, maybe I'll take it apart and reassemble, maybe something is not quite right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 Ace - TDC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 ^^^+1 Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 Ace - TDC Is this something to get from the dealer or easy enough to find online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 From memory it just needs to be cleaned up and the lead checked, secured. Take off the air box and it is the bit of metal with two bolts into the bell housing. This is a bit of a common issue. Some of the cars have had this since new. There are numerous threads, but I think that the TDC sensor was the culprit most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 From memory it just needs to be cleaned up and the lead checked, secured. Take off the air box and it is the bit of metal with two bolts into the bell housing. This is a bit of a common issue. Some of the cars have had this since new. There are numerous threads, but I think that the TDC sensor was the culprit most of the time Thanks I found some info on the TDC and seems a cleanup "generally" is all that is required. Sounds like a job for tonight. Maybe the OP should check this also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 19, March 2013 Report Share Posted 19, March 2013 From memory it just needs to be cleaned up and the lead checked, secured. Take off the air box and it is the bit of metal with two bolts into the bell housing. This is a bit of a common issue. Some of the cars have had this since new. There are numerous threads, but I think that the TDC sensor was the culprit most of the time Thanks I found some info on the TDC and seems a cleanup "generally" is all that is required. Sounds like a job for tonight. Maybe the OP should check this also? Yep, very easy to clean once airbox is out ... you just need very flexible arms to get in there! If you find it's not the new 'blue' TDC sensor then it's worth the upgrade for the new sensor and loom (about $500 through Renault or $20 off E-Bay ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 20, March 2013 Report Share Posted 20, March 2013 From memory it just needs to be cleaned up and the lead checked, secured. Take off the air box and it is the bit of metal with two bolts into the bell housing. This is a bit of a common issue. Some of the cars have had this since new. There are numerous threads, but I think that the TDC sensor was the culprit most of the time Thanks I found some info on the TDC and seems a cleanup "generally" is all that is required. Sounds like a job for tonight. Maybe the OP should check this also? Yep, very easy to clean once airbox is out ... you just need very flexible arms to get in there! If you find it's not the new 'blue' TDC sensor then it's worth the upgrade for the new sensor and loom (about $500 through Renault or $20 off E-Bay ). Found a TDC + Loom (Renault) on ebay for 64 pounds - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400195597097&ssPageName=ADME:L:CORT:GB:1123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 20, March 2013 Report Share Posted 20, March 2013 I got TDC sensor and loom for 23GBP including postage to Aus via EBay not that long ago. If you want the details of that seller drop me a PM with your e-mail and I'll forward over. He may be worth checking with too. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 20, March 2013 Report Share Posted 20, March 2013 I got TDC sensor and loom for 23GBP including postage to Aus via EBay not that long ago. If you want the details of that seller drop me a PM with your e-mail and I'll forward over. He may be worth checking with too. Cheers. Thanks, PM sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 20, March 2013 Report Share Posted 20, March 2013 I got TDC sensor and loom for 23GBP including postage to Aus via EBay not that long ago. If you want the details of that seller drop me a PM with your e-mail and I'll forward over. He may be worth checking with too. Cheers. Thanks, PM sent Cool, I have sent you an e-mail. I did mean to say that it may be worth trying to just clean your existing sensor if you have time in the interim ... this will probably at least confirm if that's the issue, although it may only be a temporary fix if you have the old style TDC sensor installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 20, March 2013 Report Share Posted 20, March 2013 I got TDC sensor and loom for 23GBP including postage to Aus via EBay not that long ago. If you want the details of that seller drop me a PM with your e-mail and I'll forward over. He may be worth checking with too. Cheers. Thanks, PM sent Cool, I have sent you an e-mail. I did mean to say that it may be worth trying to just clean your existing sensor if you have time in the interim ... this will probably at least confirm if that's the issue, although it may only be a temporary fix if you have the old style TDC sensor installed. Cleaned and replaced TDC sensor, no change this morning when trying to started, failed first time, started instantly second time. Will order the blue one and try that (Mine has the Black one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted 28, March 2013 Report Share Posted 28, March 2013 Hmmm... good thread for info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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