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i think the poll results represent the way this forum feels

 

Dissect my comments as you will, i still stand by what i said.

 

there seems tp be a few members creating all the fuss about RCCA here... yet the vast majority of people are ticking for this site to expand on its own.

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OK, i have sat back and just watched this thread and myself have changed my mind a few times, at first i was against it and just wanted a few more features added to this site, then i changed mindsets and thouf joining the RCCA would'nt be such a bad idea, but i feel as a group we are not ready.

 

Here's an idea, why dont we let the site grow for another 6 months? i think all this merger talk has come on quite suddenly and us newbies dont know which way to turn, sure some of the longer term members might be able to see past next month but the rest of us are still settling into this community and finding our place and how this forums ticks.

 

Im not saying to totally forget about merging with RCCA but why dont we try and get our corner of the internet up and running and see what we can do with it, you never know in 6 months time we might have a greater understanding of this place and want to merge, i dont see any reason why we couldnt just let this place continue to go on how it is and just add a few features, i can see the benefits of becomming a part of the RCCA and the opportunities it will provide usbut is it really necessary at this stage?

 

 

Anyway those are my thoughts, i guess it could be discussed at the drive day...

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there seems tp be a few members creating all the fuss about RCCA here... yet the vast majority of people are ticking for this site to expand on its own.

 

dude, man... that.... the bit about creating fuss about the RCCA is shooting youself in the foot a little there. Because people have made assumptions about them, and they have managed to make you and many others beilieve these assumptions. And I'm afraid these assumptions have no basis because they were created with imagnations of a person, a 5 year old to be exact.

 

I agree with the site expand on its own mate, totally agree. When a need arise, we find solutions. And some of us has felt the need right now, some of us haven't realised it, some of us are banking on false information, and some of us simply dont' care. that's fine, but we are moving forward now, this very debate is part of that moving forward. And I hope it will happen, difficult as it may be because human nature hates changes.

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WOW! :shock:

Dish you got it in one when you said "what you miss if you don't log on for 48hrs" but I think 24hrs might be more accurate! :lol:

 

OK, I'm female and I'm blonde....yes a natural one!! :wink:

someone explain this clearly to me....

 

1/ Is there any reason why OZRS can't function similar to Aussie frogs??

- as a cyber meeting of enthusiasts who occasionally get together?

 

2/ Is there any reason why the renault clubs of each state can't be approached on a needs basis to host a track day etc when demand & support make it possible ( eg: the RCCV makes events available to non members on a pay as you go basis & advertises this on AF etc. such as the motorkhana training day)

 

3/ I personally believe that corporate sponsorship makes good business sense, and is there any reason why this approach (ie: advertising/sponsorship) couldn't be explored to support the site financially? (yes, I know too well this is easier said than done...but I do believe it can be done. & it only takes one for the rest to want a place on the bandwagon! :wink: )

 

 

I am sure there are many of us here who are members of various car clubs and as such we are able to network with each other to extend invitations to a myriad of club functions in the spirit of goodwill.

 

I am perhaps a little different to some here....I am a passionate RENAULT girl! (I'ts a clinical disease you know! :lol: ) and (I believe) the renault sports are a culmination of an innovative and exceptional designer of motor vehicles...something to be very proud of, and worth finding out about! I personally see this site as a gathering of a specialised branch of the renault family, that exists in harmony & co-operation with the existing renault clubs in each state...ie: by supporting our local clubs as well as meeting and exchanging here, we enhance the renault experience. In particular, this site is a place where those that have a particular interest in the renaultsports can meet with others that are like minded, no matter which club we actually (or unactually) belong to.

 

We are here because we love our cars ultimately...is there really anything that this site is not providing that is also not provided by the respective states renault clubs? (apart from financial independance?...which could be addressed without affiliation to one particular club.)

 

euros & francs tossed in! :P

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1/ Is there any reason why OZRS can't function similar to Aussie frogs??

- as a cyber meeting of enthusiasts who occasionally get together?

 

No body ever wanted anything different than what you said, but the addition of gallery's & guides (photos etc) would mean HUGE amounts of bandwidth required, very $$$

 

2/ Is there any reason why the renault clubs of each state can't be approached on a needs basis to host a track day etc when demand & support make it possible ( eg: the RCCV makes events available to non members on a pay as you go basis & advertises this on AF etc. such as the motorkhana training day)

That was the idea! if they cant get numbers for a track day, then they could subsidise a dinner or something!

 

3/ I personally believe that corporate sponsorship makes good business sense, and is there any reason why this approach (ie: advertising/sponsorship) couldn't be explored to support the site financially?

Matt covered this previously... joint bank accounts, treasurer... SOOO much extra work, when all that is there & waiting with the RCCA

 

 

This WHOLE thing started as the bandwidth of this site was already too high, my idea was to host it on the same location of the RCCA web site, we could then have gallery's & how-to guides & everything everyone wanted, the ONLY difference would be that, at the top of the page would be the RCCA menu!

and of course the running costs would be incurred by the RCCA (by sponsorship really!)

 

And the whole thing would have EVERYTHING everyone wanted & be 100% free, & we'd also have access to lots of freebies...

 

Yes... i am scratching my head...

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We are here because we love our cars ultimately...is there really anything that this site is not providing that is also not provided by the respective states renault clubs? (apart from financial independance?...which could be addressed without affiliation to one particular club.)

Aus

 

actually I think financial stuff is a big issue, and I don't think its addressed lightly. We had a run of cards and stickers, a lot of us has since bought them. But there are many many more who hasn't. One person has had to make the outlay to keep all of them, includ the ones that's at the moment sitting there. This would never happen in a club. I can so see this donation a couple of bucks idea work with out anyone feel ripped off.

 

people have since cried that they want a diferent sticker, guess what? That went down faster than titanic. No one bothered to make another one, but heaps wanted another one made, and several probably have gone out and made their own... umm I'd say, crappy structure! if we can't even get a unified sticker sorted out... especialyl when there already IS a unified sticker and cards set.

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i think the poll results represent the way this forum feels

 

Dissect my comments as you will, i still stand by what i said.

 

there seems tp be a few members creating all the fuss about RCCA here... yet the vast majority of people are ticking for this site to expand on its own.

 

Iam still struggling to understand some people on here and there views..

 

I jusy want to get this across......

 

1) You don't have to join the RCCA to look at the forum.

 

2) You don't have to PAY ANY MONEY.

 

3) You can get stickers , cards etc FOR FREE ( RCCA will cover the costs )

 

4) Discounts on servicing , parts etc.

 

5) We can have more Bandwith and more useful info.

 

6) Everyone seems to want to do Advance driving courses through RCCA will be cheaper.

 

7) YOU DON"T HAVE TO PAY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Iam no renault fan but geez i can see the gains of it.

 

Renault you can stand by what you said but before you rattle of can you get you info correct!!!

 

Iam not even a member of the RCCA!!!!!

 

As i said before nothing on this site has changed for the better from the old YAHOO site. Still geting same posts up all the time and there isnt a gallery where YAHOO did. Just think about that.........

 

 

Grant.

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I think that the relaxed atmosphere and flow in/flow out attitude of these forums is great, and is something that will be lost with a more structured entity like RCCA.

LOL RCCA structured!!! thats a classic... Once again this proves people are making comments about the RCCA that have NO idea whatsoever about the club. The club has a structure, its not formal in ANY way.

 

I think that mashing the two different demographics of the RCCA and OzRenaultSport together will result in certain disharmony.

Can you please explain the demographic of the RCCA for me? and the disharmony it will create?

 

Although we all have a primary interest of Renaults, we generally like to do different things with our cars and use them differently.

really? what do the RCCA like to do with their Renaults?

 

 

Its great the RCCA has shirts, and can be recognized as a group in that way. i sure wouldn’t buy one and certainly wouldn’t wear one to a drive day.

No we dont... we have the CAPACITY to...

If you read correctly into it, then having a closer affiliation (DONT have to be members or a formal affiliation etc) would mean making OZRenaultSport clothing would be VERY cheap & easy by leveraging off the relationship with the RCCA.

 

If money is the problem there is no reasons why sponsors cant be obtained here too.

Yes there is & it has been VERY adequately covered in Matt's (Thunderbird2) post previously.

 

 

Can people please stop making these ridiculous & completely unfounded comments about the RCCA. There are less than 1/2 doz members on here that have ANY real knowledge about the club.

They are: Myself, Karl (Storms of Fate), Dom, Matt (Thunderbird2)

Well Nate, maybe as the PR guy for the RCCA NSW whatever you should be telling us what the Renault club does. Karlos is sitting there accusing people of providing misinformation about what the club does => leading the poor minnows astray like they don't have minds of their own. Well you guys "in the know" aren't exactly setting anyone straight with some facts.

You might be surprised to know that a few of us here have been hanging around car clubs long before the internet existed, and long before some of your voices dropped an octave at puberty.

 

Let me share some of my car club experience:

 

Peugeot Car Club NSW - Member 1993-99, Committee 1994-1996, Publicity Officer (sound familiar?). Organised sponsorship of All French Car Day, went to monthly meetings, arranged guest speakers at monthly meeting, regular motorkhana at old Butterfly Farm, Hillclimb at Wakefield Park. Club also ran annual dinner and president's breakfast. Club had library of books that could be borrowed, common parts and accessory shop, register of historic cars (club plates). Occassional technical days.

Peugeot Sport Club UK - Member 1996-99 while living in England. Went to monthly meeting for local area (in a pub of course) - small group. Did a couple of drive days. HUGE annual convention at Nuneaton proving ground. Over 400 cars, a few thousand people, factory rally cars, tuners, MASSIVE.

Honda Car Club NSW - 1999 to 2001 Small group, monthly meetings, track days, one meeting at Honda NSW HQ to see new NSX and talk with factory people.

 

Please let us all know if the RCCA is vastly different from the above?

 

I really enjoyed participating in car clubs. Now that I've found the forum based setup, well it suits my lifestyle better. I don't think that there's any of the above stuff that we can't do at the moment in the form that the group exists. We have this fantastic platform called the internet so that we don't have to meet face - but we can do so if we want to. We don't have to sit in a meeting and listen to some bloke raving about something that we have no absolutely interest in. I get enough of that at work. If we want to catch up at say KK, and some guy is talking bollocks, we are able to turn around and start chatting to someone else. I've become friends with people 1,000km away as a result of this format. To me, compared to my club experiences - yes, there is a lack of structure, and I like it this way.

I like Vukie's point. Maybe in six months time we will want to reassess things. But its clear to me that at the moment people are saying that a few additions to the site are all that is required to make things better. This is what PaulD is working towards and I'm fully supportive of that. And the costs of this next step are inconsequential. I'm sure that people will want to chip in but if they don't, the site won't close due to lack of funds. I can guarantee that.

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I think that the relaxed atmosphere and flow in/flow out attitude of these forums is great, and is something that will be lost with a more structured entity like RCCA.

LOL RCCA structured!!! thats a classic... Once again this proves people are making comments about the RCCA that have NO idea whatsoever about the club. The club has a structure, its not formal in ANY way.

 

I think that mashing the two different demographics of the RCCA and OzRenaultSport together will result in certain disharmony.

Can you please explain the demographic of the RCCA for me? and the disharmony it will create?

 

Although we all have a primary interest of Renaults, we generally like to do different things with our cars and use them differently.

really? what do the RCCA like to do with their Renaults?

 

 

Its great the RCCA has shirts, and can be recognized as a group in that way. i sure wouldn’t buy one and certainly wouldn’t wear one to a drive day.

No we dont... we have the CAPACITY to...

If you read correctly into it, then having a closer affiliation (DONT have to be members or a formal affiliation etc) would mean making OZRenaultSport clothing would be VERY cheap & easy by leveraging off the relationship with the RCCA.

 

If money is the problem there is no reasons why sponsors cant be obtained here too.

Yes there is & it has been VERY adequately covered in Matt's (Thunderbird2) post previously.

 

 

Can people please stop making these ridiculous & completely unfounded comments about the RCCA. There are less than 1/2 doz members on here that have ANY real knowledge about the club.

They are: Myself, Karl (Storms of Fate), Dom, Matt (Thunderbird2)

Well Nate, maybe as the PR guy for the RCCA NSW whatever you should be telling us what the Renault club does. Karlos is sitting there accusing people of providing misinformation about what the club does => leading the poor minnows astray like they don't have minds of their own. Well you guys "in the know" aren't exactly setting anyone straight with some facts.

You might be surprised to know that a few of us here have been hanging around car clubs long before the internet existed, and long before some of your voices dropped an octave at puberty.

 

Let me share some of my car club experience:

 

Peugeot Car Club NSW - Member 1993-99, Committee 1994-1996, Publicity Officer (sound familiar?). Organised sponsorship of All French Car Day, went to monthly meetings, arranged guest speakers at monthly meeting, regular motorkhana at old Butterfly Farm, Hillclimb at Wakefield Park. Club also ran annual dinner and president's breakfast. Club had library of books that could be borrowed, common parts and accessory shop, register of historic cars (club plates). Occassional technical days.

Peugeot Sport Club UK - Member 1996-99 while living in England. Went to monthly meeting for local area (in a pub of course) - small group. Did a couple of drive days. HUGE annual convention at Nuneaton proving ground. Over 400 cars, a few thousand people, factory rally cars, tuners, MASSIVE.

Honda Car Club NSW - 1999 to 2001 Small group, monthly meetings, track days, one meeting at Honda NSW HQ to see new NSX and talk with factory people.

 

Please let us all know if the RCCA is vastly different from the above?

 

I really enjoyed participating in car clubs. Now that I've found the forum based setup, well it suits my lifestyle better. I don't think that there's any of the above stuff that we can't do at the moment in the form that the group exists. We have this fantastic platform called the internet so that we don't have to meet face - but we can do so if we want to. We don't have to sit in a meeting and listen to some bloke raving about something that we have no absolutely interest in. I get enough of that at work. If we want to catch up at say KK, and some guy is talking bollocks, we are able to turn around and start chatting to someone else. I've become friends with people 1,000km away as a result of this format. To me, compared to my club experiences - yes, there is a lack of structure, and I like it this way.

I like Vukie's point. Maybe in six months time we will want to reassess things. But its clear to me that at the moment people are saying that a few additions to the site are all that is required to make things better. This is what PaulD is working towards and I'm fully supportive of that. And the costs of this next step are inconsequential. I'm sure that people will want to chip in but if they don't, the site won't close due to lack of funds. I can guarantee that.

 

 

What you carn't speak to somone 1000kms away using the RCCA site???

 

I think what nate is trying to get across and nate pull me up if iam wrong..

Is that we can have a better site for FREE YES FREE all it has is a RCCA logo at the top. You can still chat to your friends 1000kms away exactley the same as you do now. We need to get our crap together and move forward!!!

 

 

grant

 

 

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See that's what you guys are continually doing. Pull one point from a post and tear it to pieces. Don't bother to address the rest... you're doing your cause more damage than anyone else could.

And now we seem to be pushing the costs - 99% of users here will never pay a cent if the forum stays in its current format with a few good changes. Front page, FAQ's, gallery, etc. The site is already being worked on in this respect. We don't need a RCCA logo on the top of the home page to make this happen.

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See that's what you guys are continually doing. Pull one point from a post and tear it to pieces. Don't bother to address the rest... you're doing your cause more damage than anyone else could.

And now we seem to be pushing the costs - 99% of users here will never pay a cent if the forum stays in its current format with a few good changes. Front page, FAQ's, gallery, etc. The site is already being worked on in this respect. We don't need a RCCA logo on the top of the home page to make this happen.

 

I assume you a reffering to me in this....

 

Damaging my cause???? WTF

 

Iam not even in the RCCA moosey. If people stoped posting S*&T i wouldnt have to pull out one quote. This is why i carnt be F&*Ked posting on here cause of stupid comments like that. For one Paul has asked for donations at drive days to fund the site. So if 99% don't have to pay that means you are going to fund the site???All i was trying to say wouldn't it be better if none of us had to pay for anything??

 

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Iam no renault fan but geez i can see the gains of it.

 

Renault you can stand by what you said but before you rattle of can you get you info correct!!!

 

Iam not even a member of the RCCA!!!!!

 

As i said before nothing on this site has changed for the better from the old YAHOO site. Still geting same posts up all the time and there isnt a gallery where YAHOO did. Just think about that.........

 

 

Grant.

 

there are some new people who has been new to the site may not know that a specific topic has been discussed before. there is nothing wrong with that and usually we will guide them or give them the link to the past realted thread. ITS IS A FREEDOM OF WORLD AND IF YOU DON"T WANNA VIEW A SPECIFIC POST, YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT. :evil:

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See that's what you guys are continually doing. Pull one point from a post and tear it to pieces. Don't bother to address the rest... you're doing your cause more damage than anyone else could.

And now we seem to be pushing the costs - 99% of users here will never pay a cent if the forum stays in its current format with a few good changes. Front page, FAQ's, gallery, etc. The site is already being worked on in this respect. We don't need a RCCA logo on the top of the home page to make this happen.

 

I assume you a reffering to me in this....

 

Damaging my cause???? WTF

 

Iam not even in the RCCA moosey. If people stoped posting S*&T i wouldnt have to pull out one quote. This is why i carnt be F&*Ked posting on here cause of stupid comments like that. For one Paul has asked for donations at drive days to fund the site. So if 99% don't have to pay that means you are going to fund the site???All i was trying to say wouldn't it be better if none of us had to pay for anything??

 

Grant

Grant, yes I was referring to you in this instance, but moreso the pro RCCA group in general. I know that you're not in the RCCA and it's not your cause. Your opinion as to S*&T posts is different to someone else's. My comment wasn't stupid, nor was Renault's, from my perspective. You can and will think what you like. But there's an element here who likes to pick people's threads to pieces instead of putting their case forward. I too get peeved with this attitude on the forum.

As for Paul asking for money to help run the site, he could pay for it himself if he wanted to. The feeling that I get is that there are plenty of people out there who are happy to hand over a fiver or tenner in support. They want to contribute. It really is small change for those who want to put $10 down.

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there are some new people who has been new to the site may not know that a specific topic has been discussed before. there is nothing wrong with that and usually we will guide them or give them the link to the past realted thread. ITS IS A FREEDOM OF WORLD AND IF YOU DON"T WANNA VIEW A SPECIFIC POST, YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT. :evil:

 

You are missing his point. this site is here and now because people got sick of yahoo's emailing list format. and some of the issues raised was

 

-repeated posts

-hard to search for posts

-off topic stuff

 

 

so a few guys broke off and created this... the point Mr Foxman has raised is that none of the above ORIGINAL issues have been addressed with this site.

 

-there sh*t loads (yes Grant mat,e you can use that word here!) of posts about the same topic again and again.

 

-no one seems to use the search function anyway (otherwise there won't be repeated posts)

 

-Most didn't think the off topic emails were an issue in the firstplace, and I find mailinglist much easier to send a few OT messages out, as do a lot of people.

 

then there are the things members here are asking for

 

-fault registry

-gallery

 

those actualyla lready exist on yahoo... so this site's taken a step back in that regards.

 

If you have read previous posts properly wou would have picked up all those already.

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there are some new people who has been new to the site may not know that a specific topic has been discussed before. there is nothing wrong with that and usually we will guide them or give them the link to the past realted thread. ITS IS A FREEDOM OF WORLD AND IF YOU DON"T WANNA VIEW A SPECIFIC POST, YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT. :evil:

 

You are missing his point. this site is here and now because people got sick of yahoo's emailing list format. and some of the issues raised was

 

-repeated posts

-hard to search for posts

-off topic stuff

 

 

so a few guys broke off and created this... the point Mr Foxman has raised is that none of the above ORIGINAL issues have been addressed with this site.

 

-there sh*t loads (yes Grant mat,e you can use that word here!) of posts about the same topic again and again.

 

-no one seems to use the search function anyway (otherwise there won't be repeated posts)

 

-Most didn't think the off topic emails were an issue in the firstplace, and I find mailinglist much easier to send a few OT messages out, as do a lot of people.

 

then there are the things members here are asking for

 

-fault registry

-gallery

 

those actualyla lready exist on yahoo... so this site's taken a step back in that regards.

 

If you have read previous posts properly wou would have picked up all those already.

 

Agree with you 100% Karlos.

 

I can see this problem popping up again in 6 months time.

 

Blackie as Karlos said the whole point of this site was to fix the problems form the YAHOO site which were the same questions being asked again and again. So in my point of view we are at square one again. As for sying that people have the freedom to post what they want they also have the freedom to do searching to see if it hasnt been asked before.

 

How bout somebody post up a FAQ group so newbies can look at the most common posts......

 

Grant.

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S_O_F

 

There is no reason why the old fault registry and gallery couldnt be brought over to the new website, we arent re-inventing the wheel here, so to speak, just making it accessable to new members who dont even know the yahoo site exists

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Moosey, cant comment on PCCA vs RCCA... the events seem somewhat similar, but i dont know about the "attitude of the people" that is being questioned so much... From what PaulD has said of the RCCV, the RCCA seems SO much like us & looking at us & the RCCA there is VERY little difference in attitidues & wants/needs.

 

The funniest thing is every has gone on about wanting the site to be free... well ummm have a look around, its costing people money! LOL

Not to mention people are now out of pocket like Karlos with loads of stickers/cards etc...

Its great that people are willing to pay out of their own pocket, but its not feasible in the long run...

 

Informing people about the RCCA, i asked people to PM me because no matter what i posted it was either ignored or misquoted continually. We're working on the website & it'll address all that shortly.

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Yeah I think a few sticky threads would be good. Also in the Technical section just so newbies and others that don't use the search function.

 

good luck. I've asked for sticky thread for the club cards and stickers. didn't happen.

 

Thats an admin thing isn't it? Perhaps when a new site & funding is decided on this will be a reality.

 

I now also agree that RCCA is really the best way to go in keeping the site free, but also allowing for possible expansions, as well as discounts and other goodies.

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Yeah I think a few sticky threads would be good. Also in the Technical section just so newbies and others that don't use the search function.

 

good luck. I've asked for sticky thread for the club cards and stickers. didn't happen.

Karlos, Nate is one of the admin people who can make this a sticky for you. Otherwise you might have to wait until PaulD's new site is sorted - this is the sort of thing that will be able to be included on the homepage.

 

Guys, have a look at the poll. 2/3rds of voters are happy with the current setup or want the sort of changes that PaulD is already working on. We're risking a Superleague style split here if you go and do your own thing. I know that this has happened previously with the Yahoo site, but I really do think that there is some middle ground. I for one would be happy to see a forum section on OZRS dedicated to RCCA activities if this is going to help keep everyone happy.

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Guys, have a look at the poll. 2/3rds of voters are happy with the current setup or want the sort of changes that PaulD is already working on. We're risking a Superleague style split here if you go and do your own thing. I know that this has happened previously with the Yahoo site, but I really do think that there is some middle ground. I for one would be happy to see a forum section on OZRS dedicated to RCCA activities if this is going to help keep everyone happy.

 

Anthony, I think alot of people are voting the way they are because they really don't know what an RCCA merger will do. I admit that when I voted I voted to stay the same but with added features such as gallery etc because I didn't know of the RCCA benefits. If this was explained a little more from the get-go then I think the poll would look alot different.

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Just a reminder - this is PaulD's original post on this thread:

 

Hi All,

 

We now have a new host to take our website to better things..

 

Steps involved..

 

1. Transfer DNS to new host. The site may be down for 6-24hours for this to update. Sorry for the inconvenience..

 

2. Site will look the same (short term). As a part of the hosting package, we will have a new home page, which we can customise with links, galleries, FAQ's etc.. I will post some ideas, and invite everyones feedback..

 

3. New page will be using same graphics as cards we all agreed on (well mostly :wink: ). This should look very clean. Again, will post links to a dummy screen shot for comments. Check out the link of our fantastic host www.exstatic.net for design and hosting capability..

 

4. Donations for hosting (will set me back $15 per month) can be made at any drive day, through nominated individuals in each state, then straight to my swiss bank account :D Donations are in good will, and will be well recieved :)

 

5. Ongoing changes/updates can be done at request (to any of the admin panel), including suitable sponsorship/advertising. My idea is for small discounts on a reccomended basis (ie mechanics who want there name mentioned in a good way) may offer 5% discount or similar for mentioning the site name. Paul Ren Mech??

 

6. Ideas?

 

Thanks for all your continued support. I never imagined we would have 200+ users.. Lets make this a free info resource thats as good as it gets.

 

Cheers,

PaulD

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I don't think the vote is one sided at all. the top and bottom one are really

 

"i dont' care as long as this forum remains free and i can do what ever i want"

 

so that leaves 17 V 12. and considering ther emight be a few swing votes....

 

even if not, 17V 12 is pretty good to me. that means there are enough interst... mroe than predicted in this new setup.

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There is NO merger or split or anything like that...

 

The RCCA would HOST the site...

Only difference between what i was suggesting & PaulD's is a different Header at the top of the page, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FREE, and the amount of freebies & discounts that RCCA header would bring to ALL of you, regardless of state/size/car/race/colour...

 

This whole "affiliation" & "fee" thing is just sooo out of context & means nothing...

 

as RSC172 said, I also think the poll is badly worded & doesnt explain the real situation...

 

How about we all Hold our horses for about 2 weeks, by then i'll have the RCCA pages sorted etc... & we can have a proper look at it...

 

So far we have the 3 options for the page design:

http://home.exetel.com.au/nate/rcca_pages.html

& i'm 90% sure we're taking the 3rd..

Its rough as all heck, but gives an indication!

 

The forum component would be a menu option at the top...

and if you went to www.ozrenaultsport.com you'd still be taken to the forum directly... or maybe a separate HTML page specific to the OZR Group...

 

 

i think EVERYONE needs to have a VERY good read through this post...

as it'll pretty much give a clear indication on what is actually been proposed from the RCCAs point of view.

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There is NO merger or split or anything like that...

 

The RCCA would HOST the site...

Only difference between what i was suggesting & PaulD's is a different Header at the top of the page, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FREE, and the amount of freebies & discounts that RCCA header would bring to ALL of you, regardless of state/size/car/race/colour...

 

This whole "affiliation" & "fee" thing is just sooo out of context & means nothing...

 

as RSC172 said, I also think the poll is badly worded & doesnt explain the real situation...

 

How about we all Hold our horses for about 2 weeks, by then i'll have the RCCA pages sorted etc... & we can have a proper look at it...

 

So far we have the 3 options for the page design:

http://home.exetel.com.au/nate/rcca_pages.html

& i'm 90% sure we're taking the 3rd..

Its rough as all heck, but gives an indication!

 

The forum component would be a menu option at the top...

and if you went to www.ozrenaultsport.com you'd still be taken to the forum directly... or maybe a separate HTML page specific to the OZR Group...

 

 

i think EVERYONE needs to have a VERY good read through this post...

as it'll pretty much give a clear indication on what is actually been proposed from the RCCAs point of view.

So Nate, please tell us about all these great discounts that we should be able to expect through RCCA (I'm assuming that you'll have to be a paid up member of the RCCA to get them, not just on the forum).

 

And how's the financial situation of the RCCA? I only have the Pug club to go on, but we had at the most a few thousand dollars in the bank. So waht does that give us? A $20 discount on a $300 driving course that most of us can't afford or justify? 10% service discount at a dealer in Sydney that most of us can't get to? Mate, how about some examples rather than statements like "the amount of freebies and discounts". I've never seen or used these things in previous clubs that I've been involved in.

 

I appreciate that you may not have some of these "discounts" in concrete, but how about you give us some idea of what you're thinking. I can go to my local tyre shop and negotiate myself a discount without a RCCA card in my hand.

 

And as for motorsport/track days, I can go down to Wakefield any day of the week and drive around all day for $80 with a bunch of forum people - hiring a track under the RCCA banner couldn't get anywhere near this cost.

 

So if the RCCA site goes ahead and OZRS comes under it, what will happen to OZRS as an entity? Karlos spent time and money on stickers and cards for OZRS. Thanks mate. We all appreciate your efforts. Would the RCCA committee approve expenditure on OZRS stickers or cards? I expect that they'd more likely want to be spending money on RCCA merchandise and promotion. We'd all be driving around with RCCA stickers on our cars. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

My experience of car clubs is not disimilar to what I'm seeing now. A vocal minority complaining that nothing ever happens and the silent majority are quite happy with the way the operation is being run. It serves their needs.

 

Lastly, I still think that there is a diff between "car club" types and forum types. I'd rather remain separate and be spending my time meeting up with the Toyota boys or the MX5 guys than the older Renault cars. And don't tell me that it's not like that because there are other people here that have been to RCCA events, driving around with 12's and 16's at 50km/h. Not my scene and I doubt most of the other regulars here either. I like OZRS how it is - with PaulD's improvements, and I think that I'm in the majority. This will cost us in total $180 a year. Period. Nate, you've said yourself that you have trouble getting people here interested in the RCCA. So why try to pull this forum apart (or relocate it, as you say) for a cause that maybe isn't justifiable? The majority of us will be no better off.

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Screw discounts, I don't want stuff like that. If we affiliate ourselves, then we censor ourselves. I'm sure I posted this in another thread (couldn't be bothered reading this one, 6 pages, honestly).

 

The first discount, add or banner that appears on this site, I'm out of here.

 

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Moosey is on the money, as usual.

 

I was one of the original (and very few) advocates of this forum and I'm gobsmacked to see how successful it has been.

 

Who cares if people ask the same question over and over again? If you find this a problem, I suggest you piss off. I would have the primary purpose of an enthusiast populated internet forum would be to assist those that are not as knowledgeable.

 

Vote 1 for no affiliation, of any sort.

 

The only upgrade I can suggest would be to use a better BB setup. I'd contribute to a vBulletin upgrade I reckon.

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With the result of the poll, I think it is clear that majority is happy with the the existing site but with a few minor improvements, the overall direction is to remain unstructured, go to drive days if they want to, no obligation to attend to some monthly meetings or whatever inconvenience that a structured group usually brings and have the freedom to arrange track days, driving courses. And if we are having problems in arranging stickers, drive days or whatever, joining RCCA is not going to completely solve the problems, someone will still need to take the initiative and see the whole process through. Maybe i am speaking out of my backside, but the poll is saying "independence"... then let us leave it at that. Furthermore bickering is just a wasting time.

 

Maybe ther are still unconvinced members ... a poll with just 2 options.... independence or RCCA. I am sure the result will be the same but this time it will be more convincing!! :lol:

 

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Hi Boys & Girls,

 

I've taken the initiative and have been moving as many of the Sightings posts as possible to a dedicated Sightings section. This was something I'd proposed 5 weeks ago to the other Admins as part of the changes to this site. Please keep your posts within the state-by-state threads otherwise it's gonna look like a dog's breakfast! I will lock all the loose sightings threads soon, but if anyone has any objections to this or suggestions to make it more streamlined, I'd love to hear it. Let's get constructive! :wink:

 

Cheers, Dish.

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Affiliation affiliation affiliation...

does anyone actually know what it means?

IT WAS NEVER SUGGESTED TO AFFILIATE...

 

seriously read the thread!

Its obvious people cant read or dont bother to, & are still posting the same things over & over & over well after they've been addressed...

 

And yet again we have people posting about the RCCA... talking out of your a**? well if thats what you call posting absoulte rubbish on something you obviously know nothing about, then yes you definetly are.

 

There's absoltely no point to this entire thread, as its the same things being said & covered over & over & over... & people making comletely stupid comments on things they know NOTHING about...

 

We used to have such a superb community & potential with the yahoo forum, but its evidently gone to the crapper... pity really

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Moosey is on the money, as usual.

 

I was one of the original (and very few) advocates of this forum and I'm gobsmacked to see how successful it has been.

 

Who cares if people ask the same question over and over again? If you find this a problem, I suggest you piss off. I would have the primary purpose of an enthusiast populated internet forum would be to assist those that are not as knowledgeable.

 

Vote 1 for no affiliation, of any sort.

 

The only upgrade I can suggest would be to use a better BB setup. I'd contribute to a vBulletin upgrade I reckon.

 

Once again you have proven yourself to be a TOOL.

 

Thats the sort of comment we would expect from a person with his head up his a***.

 

The whole reason this got started was because people were posting the same things time and time agian, people were getting pissed off with it.

 

If you want to be part of the problem not the solution why don't you crawl back under that rock you came from.

 

Foxman!!! :evil::evil::evil::evil:

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We used to have such a superb community & potential with the yahoo forum, but its evidently gone to the crapper... pity really

 

it only seems to be the PRO RCCA people who think this...

 

everyone else seems to think this forum is just getting better and better...atleast thats what people keep saying and have told me

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Affiliation affiliation affiliation...

does anyone actually know what it means?

IT WAS NEVER SUGGESTED TO AFFILIATE...

 

seriously read the thread!

Its obvious people cant read or dont bother to, & are still posting the same things over & over & over well after they've been addressed...

 

And yet again we have people posting about the RCCA... talking out of your a**? well if thats what you call posting absoulte rubbish on something you obviously know nothing about, then yes you definetly are.

 

There's absoltely no point to this entire thread, as its the same things being said & covered over & over & over... & people making comletely stupid comments on things they know NOTHING about...

 

We used to have such a superb community & potential with the yahoo forum, but its evidently gone to the crapper... pity really

Have to agree with Renault on his last point. Most of us think this is still a great community.

 

So are you going to answer any of my recently posted questions, Nate? Or are you saying that you have covered them already? Or are they too stupid to justify a reply?

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Once again you have proven yourself to be a TOOL.

 

:lol:

 

Thats the sort of comment we would expect from a person with his head up his a***.

 

We? Oh it's an us-and-them thing is it? Glad we got that sorted.

 

The whole reason this got started was because people were posting the same things time and time agian, people were getting pissed off with it.

 

The whole reason what got started? This forum? I don't think so. I thought it was started because it presented a much better and easier format than the ancient Yahoogroups setup. Email distribution lists once worked well, but with the advent of bulletin boards such as this the mailing list format is dieing a quick death.

 

If you want to be part of the problem not the solution why don't you crawl back under that rock you came from.

 

Are you drunk?

 

Hey Grant....done that testing yet? I'd be really interested to know how it went.

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The RCCA would HOST the site...

 

Affiliation affiliation affiliation...

does anyone actually know what it means?

IT WAS NEVER SUGGESTED TO AFFILIATE...

 

This is what I took as an affiliation, hence my comment about affilitation of any sort. :D

 

A club hosting an enthusiast website is still an affiliation, and this is what I reckon should be avoided.

 

I don't intend any harm with my comments, and I respect your work within the RCCA community. I just think the forum shoud remain much the same as it is, and it seems others are agreeing with me (which is an odd feeling)

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The whole reason what got started? This forum? I don't think so. I thought it was started because it presented a much better and easier format than the ancient Yahoogroups setup. Email distribution lists once worked well, but with the advent of bulletin boards such as this the mailing list format is dieing a quick death.

 

That translates to:

 

I can't remember why this forum started, so I'll make up something and stick with it. And since I don't use the other one anymore, I will assume that its already dead and last centry's technology because I'm at the forefront of techno stuff.

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With the result of the poll, I think it is clear that majority is happy with the the existing site but with a few minor improvements, the overall direction is to remain unstructured, go to drive days if they want to, no obligation to attend to some monthly meetings or whatever inconvenience that a structured group usually brings and have the freedom to arrange track days, driving courses. And if we are having problems in arranging stickers, drive days or whatever, joining RCCA is not going to completely solve the problems, someone will still need to take the initiative and see the whole process through. Maybe i am speaking out of my backside, but the poll is saying "independence"... then let us leave it at that. Furthermore bickering is just a wasting time.

 

Maybe ther are still unconvinced members ... a poll with just 2 options.... independence or RCCA. I am sure the result will be the same but this time it will be more convincing!! :lol:

 

Keith

 

a slight majority mind you, and since you can't go back on your votes there might be people who have already voted and changed their minds... but who cares about that.

 

there's no reason why we as a small group can't organise drive days like we are now, and in fact we already do organise drive days with other car clubs as such. There's also no reason why you HAVE to attend the meeting, at all.

 

There's certainly no restriction in organising your training days etc, but Nate's already pointed out with the RCCA it is possible to get discounts on those training, and if anyone tells me they want to go to training but are not interested in discounts is bullsh*tting.

 

Someone will have to take the initive in terms of merchendising and things like that, yes, that's why the club has people who are in charge of such things. The last time we tried stickers took a number of months before they were finally printed, and no more than 15 have since taken up the thing, not everyone who have expressed interest have actually bought one. and I have to take on the cost of keeping these stickers and cards out of my own pocket. You think anyone here beyond a few close guys (mostly the ones who have supported this already) cares about that?

 

I think no one ended up doing a re-run of the stickers, or design a new one is because of this, you can't get somethign done when you have a group of peopel who wanted their own designs and tried to sell them paddy's market style. not going to happen ever end of story.

 

RCCA will solve this problem because the club will have teh thigns made, the club will keep them and distribute them, and it will be unified.

 

All those in favoure of unstructured this and that, that's fine. but then again you guys want to make stickers, things to make yourselves a unified group... make up your mind!

 

its not bickering, its called debating... you ever been ont eh highschool debate team??? hehe that's exactly like this. But since we're now adults we can swear at each other with out getting a letter from the other principle.

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All I am saying is, debate can go on forever... there are always pros and cons to both sides ... but the point is ... a poll has been taken and the result is clear. So just respect the verdict and move on.

 

Maybe few months/years down the track, people changes their minds and the result is different.

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The whole reason what got started? This forum? I don't think so. I thought it was started because it presented a much better and easier format than the ancient Yahoogroups setup. Email distribution lists once worked well, but with the advent of bulletin boards such as this the mailing list format is dieing a quick death.

 

That translates to:

 

I can't remember why this forum started, so I'll make up something and stick with it. And since I don't use the other one anymore, I will assume that its already dead and last centry's technology because I'm at the forefront of techno stuff.

 

Hey Karl that's not exactly correct. I know perfectly well the reasons why this board was created but I was just describing the benefits in a general manner.

 

I still use the other distribution list on occasion.

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OK, I have been away with work for a few days (obviously too long) and struggling to get my head around this topic of epic proportions.. I believe the best way to voice my concerns/opinions is in point form..

 

1. Site now has FAQ & Renault Car Club sections. Although I dont have the time to go through allexisting threads to move relevant ones to these new sections, please any admin member feel free to do so (which is why we have more than one admin member).

 

2. It seems there is a circle repeating iteslf here.. I am reading the same points about why we SHOULD or SHOULDNT be affiliated (or whatever the F&^K you want to call it) with RCCA. This also seems to be strangely linked to slagging the development of this forum vs Yahoo..

 

3. Based on point 2, my opinion is if you dont like the relative merits/limiations of forum based browsing, go back to Yahoo.. I am sure you will have a lot to talk about. No one is holding your wrist here, making you stay. We have more to lose than gain here.

 

4. My sincere apologies that all this site development mess hasnt been dealt with earlier. I havent had the time i would like to be able to spend with this site, and the last of the changes are to so with site design, and unfortunately that takes a little time.. Sorry for the greif this may have caused.. Not much longer now :wink:

 

5. As a community, I am i bit shocked at the personal nature of some of these attacks.. Please, if youve got something nasty to say to someone, either PM them, or use 40c to call them.

 

PaulD

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Thanks Paul. I reckon you've done a top job by the way. You've handled the task of admin with aplomb.

 

I'd donate to the running of the site if I had an easy way of getting the money to you. Have you got some bank details that we could use?

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OK, I have been away with work for a few days (obviously too long) and struggling to get my head around this topic of epic proportions.. I believe the best way to voice my concerns/opinions is in point form..

 

1. Site now has FAQ & Renault Car Club sections. Although I dont have the time to go through allexisting threads to move relevant ones to these new sections, please any admin member feel free to do so (which is why we have more than one admin member).

 

2. It seems there is a circle repeating iteslf here.. I am reading the same points about why we SHOULD or SHOULDNT be affiliated (or whatever the F&^K you want to call it) with RCCA. This also seems to be strangely linked to slagging the development of this forum vs Yahoo..

 

3. Based on point 2, my opinion is if you dont like the relative merits/limiations of forum based browsing, go back to Yahoo.. I am sure you will have a lot to talk about. No one is holding your wrist here, making you stay. We have more to lose than gain here.

 

4. My sincere apologies that all this site development mess hasnt been dealt with earlier. I havent had the time i would like to be able to spend with this site, and the last of the changes are to so with site design, and unfortunately that takes a little time.. Sorry for the greif this may have caused.. Not much longer now :wink:

 

5. As a community, I am i bit shocked at the personal nature of some of these attacks.. Please, if youve got something nasty to say to someone, either PM them, or use 40c to call them.

 

PaulD

 

Well once agian another site has turned to sh*t!!!!!

 

Brenno i forgot to ask how is the RCS of yours going???

 

Nwxt time we are at a AUSSIEFROGS drink why don't you come up to me and me and have a word to me about it iam sure i can show you how its going...................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Grant!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Grant!!!

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Haha, oh yes......the obligatory dig at me for not actually owning a Cliosport. How could I guess that was coming?

 

This is an enthusiast forum Grant, not specifically an owners forum.

 

Likewise, why don't you tell me how your Clio is going?

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quote. "Well once agian another site has turned to sh*t!!!!!

 

Brenno i forgot to ask how is the RCS of yours going???

 

Nwxt time we are at a AUSSIEFROGS drink why don't you come up to me and me and have a word to me about it iam sure i can show you how its going...................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! quote"

 

 

 

 

thats a bit of a childish comment.

Come on we're all adults here arent we?

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OK I have changed my mind and think this forum should stay separate now and I want to change my vote. Why ? Because of all the sh*t I see going on in previous pages. Standard car club fare it seems, went through this with the WRX club and was amazed at how gee'd up people get over the smallest things.

 

I'm also amazed at how people try and apply one-size-fits-all solutions to individuals that want different things. So far people seem to want

 

1. A web forum only, or

2. A web forum that meets socially, or

3. A web forum that meets socially and does track days, or

4. A web forum paid for by a car club (not for profit organisation btw), or

5. A web forum off the car club web site, or

6. A whole new club just for the web forum people that replicates what the appropriate car club already has, at great expense and time nobody has to give.

 

The people wanting these 6 or more options want

 

1. Nothing beyond the social interaction, or

2. The occasional cruise, or

3. The occasional motorsport outing, or

4. CAMS affiliation for motorsport events, or

5. Matching t-shirts, hats and keyrings, or

6. Discounts on something, ANYTHING ! or

7. KK for every meal :wink:

 

It ain't going to happen anytime soon folks. Any club formed out of this debate will die, and forcing people to do what they don't want to will kill this forum stone dead too.

 

How about this ?

 

The separate forum for RCCA stuff is a top idea that's already been implemented and it's a good way for RCCA people to come in and get to know us in all our childish tanty-throwing glory :wink: Nate, can you promote that within the RCCA ? (the forum, not the tanty's *lol*)

 

People doing RCCA things can join us, post their experiences too and give those of us who aren't members an idea of how cool/daggy/fun/sad it is to be in.

 

In 6 months time, after we all understand what's what we can look at it again and hopefully have a more reasoned discussion (right on Vukie!)

 

Long live OzRenaultSport in it's current and future guises. I'm happy to apply some money to make this happen. I like the social and flowing nature of the web forums and the current technical problems people note haven't caused me any grief. Thanks to all that make it work, especially Paul D.

 

Long live RCCA, I'll be joining as soon as I can get off my a*** on a Monday night and get to a meeting. I want the discounts and I like being in clubs and I need to be in one to keep my CAMS license. Thanks to Nate, Karlos et al for bringing it to my attention and being familiar faces when I get to a meeting.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

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