Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 so guys i test drove an rs200 and love it. i want to know whats the difference between a cup, trophy and sport 2013 to 2016 clio rs200 want to get the best value for money and planning on getting a stage 2 done to it when i get it also i live in Wollongong so anyone near should totally show me their beasts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 rs200* idk how to edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stromlo Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 (edited) Renault changed their naming conventions - all you need to know is that Trophy and Premium are used interchangeably. Models went: Sport Cup 220 Sport and Cup were available in non-Trophy/non-Premium or Trophy/Premium. The 220 was only a Trophy. Trophy/Premium = Leather trim interior, RS Monitor, better sound system, reversing camera, PDC and climate control over the non version. Cup has marginally lower suspention (couple of mm) and a slightly stiffer set up + black 18" wheels. Edited 13, October 2017 by stromlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 so its better to get a cup because on my ps the trophy is banned is there a specific year model which is the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stromlo Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 (edited) Whether the cup is or isn't the one to get vs the sport is a personal preference I guess. It's no faster or slower in daily use. At some point during 2013, Renault offered 5 year warranties, so might want to check if whatever you find has some left. Edited 13, October 2017 by stromlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 i have seen a few that are 2015 and for daily but track im assuming since the cup is stiffer and i want to stage 2 it would be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckovski Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 i have seen a few that are 2015 and for daily but track im assuming since the cup is stiffer and i want to stage 2 it would be better? I've heard good things about the cup on the track, there were a couple of sports at Wakefield last forum track day, people seem pretty happy with them too.If you're going to tune it you'll probably be putting on coilovers... If so, and if a sport is much cheaper, then get the sport. Then upgrade to wider rims/tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris043 Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 40 minutes ago, Dom1994 said: i have seen a few that are 2015 and for daily but track im assuming since the cup is stiffer and i want to stage 2 it would be better? Simple answer is Yep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 4 hours ago, chuckovski said: I've heard good things about the cup on the track, there were a couple of sports at Wakefield last forum track day, people seem pretty happy with them too. If you're going to tune it you'll probably be putting on coilovers... If so, and if a sport is much cheaper, then get the sport. Then upgrade to wider rims/tyres. Oh I sat in a sport yesterday and found the ride heght more then what I need again never tracked a car or had a modified one so is there a major improvement in having coil overs and also the sport has 17 cup has 18 so would that the car be more flush with the 18in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingle Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 Renaultsports are the last cars in the world to need coilovers. You'll make it worse. IMO only worth considering when you really start chasing quicker lap times and are reaching the limits of the standard suspension. That'll take some doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 15 minutes ago, Bingle said: Renaultsports are the last cars in the world to need coilovers. You'll make it worse. IMO only worth considering when you really start chasing quicker lap times and are reaching the limits of the standard suspension. That'll take some doing. Haha I figured because when I sat in the sport and took it for a drive it was heaps low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stromlo Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 29 minutes ago, Bingle said: Renaultsports are the last cars in the world to need coilovers. You'll make it worse. IMO only worth considering when you really start chasing quicker lap times and are reaching the limits of the standard suspension. That'll take some doing. This is what I never understand. A weekend install of coilovers all of a sudden is better for handling then Renaultsport's engineers designing the original system over years for the OEM car. I'm betting 99/100 putting on coilovers looks better but worsens handling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingle Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 Cars look good when they're lowered. We all like it. If you're more interested in getting the right look, just get "lowering" springs. You'll still make the car worse but at least they're cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckovski Posted 13, October 2017 Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 Renaultsports are the last cars in the world to need coilovers. You'll make it worse. IMO only worth considering when you really start chasing quicker lap times and are reaching the limits of the standard suspension. That'll take some doing.This is a good point - are you going to the track to have fun or chase times? I'm satisfied with going and learning how to drive better and have fun.In my opinion the black 18s look much better than the silver Tibors, though some disagree!Maybe stick with the cup (unless like I said you can get a sport a lot cheaper, like I did!).I find the sport very comfortable with ok handling, not to the point where I'll take it to the track over the Megane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 13, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 13, October 2017 the guy at rs tuning said the megane has weak points and the clio is a better tuning plateform and yeah the sport are selling for around 20 to 22k and the cup are around i think 24k to 27k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight Posted 14, October 2017 Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 My understanding is that factory engineers took the middle ground to appease general public with Sport version. Not too soft but not too firm. Just good enough for day to day driving. Trophy has got few more ponies thus firmer suspension. If you intend to increase power you need to match handling accordingly. Maybe stage 1 does not require changes to suspension but with 25-30% more torque and power that can be achieved with stage 1, I would be incline to “tune” my suspension. It is all about tuning, right? My choice would be KW Inox line https://www.kwsuspensions.net/products/coilovers/variant3 Slightly above my budget atm but I'm seriously thinking about it. Bilstein coilovers are cheaper but not much tuning can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingle Posted 14, October 2017 Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 Why do people think that simply bolting after market stuff to their incredibly well-developed performance road cars automatically makes them better. In most cases it really won't. Does more power warrant stiffer suspension? No No no! Not if it's already set up as well as it can be for it's intended use. If we're talking about performance road driving and occasional track days, I'll argue that you can't do better than the standard cup suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 14, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 Yeah I know that don' want coils anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingle Posted 14, October 2017 Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 (edited) If you start to get serious about track driving, want to take your car off daily duties and have exhausted it's (and your own) capability, revisit the coilover idea then. At least you'll have a clear idea at what you're aiming for. But please not for the road. Edited 14, October 2017 by Bingle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckovski Posted 14, October 2017 Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 The sport model is new to us but was part of the RenaultSport lineup overseas for a long time. It provided a cheaper entry point. We got cup models as the base until now. I think it's reasonable to get coilovers if it's cheaper to buy the sport and get coilovers after. As I just did [emoji16] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingle Posted 14, October 2017 Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 At the end of the day it's reasonable to do whatever suits you. It's all good fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom1994 Posted 14, October 2017 Author Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 Defined cheap because lately I've seen cups and sports at the same price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckovski Posted 14, October 2017 Report Share Posted 14, October 2017 The sport I got was, IIRC, about $3K less than the cheapest cup, but had more km on it.The market for these cars are a bit weird. At one point the cheapest IV in Australia was a cup by a few grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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