buddy Posted 18, February 2015 Report Share Posted 18, February 2015 I can buy a 2008 Clio Sport Engine - for $1500 - I want to - but my mechanic says no. For $1500 you can buy a V8 Commodore wagon that will smash a Scenic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 20, February 2015 Author Report Share Posted 20, February 2015 > For $1500 you can buy a V8 Commodore wagon that will smash a Scenic. My Scenic was quite capable of taking on the V8's and Turbo cars but it's not a track car, just road use only. Never got smashed by a V8 or Turbo-6 but I've only have had it a few months and it doesn't get the attraction that my other red turbo car got at the lights. Of course I know there's some very quick V8's out there for which a non-turbo four has no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 20, February 2015 Report Share Posted 20, February 2015 (edited) Ok I'm now convinced....... You sir, are a troll......not a bad effort though "tip-o-the-hat" Edited 20, February 2015 by wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 20, February 2015 Report Share Posted 20, February 2015 lOL I was convinced a long time ago, sounds very kasperskish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 22, February 2015 Author Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Update: Car went to the mechanic yesterday morning and I'm looking to pick up the RS-172 Engine this week. The upgrade is set to take place in the coming weeks. Thanks to the people on this forum that have helped with tips and knowledge and the parts I need to make the project happen. At this point, the project is proceeding smoothly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnut Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Do you think it will be ready by April 2? If so you should bring it to the track day. There's a tenner in it for you if you can do a 1:15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 I'll throw in 10 as well ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safetyman Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 That's a feasible time I don't think I'll be there but I'll arrange for a tenner to go down with Numbnut too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STALLED Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 2JZ swap or none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Well that's 30...... If you could smash v8's and turbo v6's with a normal scenic motor you should be able to get 1.12's with a 172 motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Do you think it will be ready by April 2? Don't you mean April 1st? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 22, February 2015 Author Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 > Well that's 30...... If you could smash v8's and turbo v6's with a normal scenic > motor you should be able to get 1.12's with a 172 motor Ok - I will try to get everything done and bring it to the track day April 2nd. Haven't driven on that track before, so I doubt if I'll be pushing it too hard. I don't have any expectations about what time it will do. Don't know the track. Also remember that it's an Automatic, and it won't be getting a manual gearbox. It's not really intended to be a track car but I'll try tweeking it a bit (tweek #1 will be remove the back seats a six-minute job). At this point, my personal hope would be to get a time better than just one RS-Car on the day - but we'll see. Even that might not be realistic. It does have a lot of body-roll issues and is a bit tricky on corners sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Awesome..... Hope to see you there !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsdamo Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Auto? Does the auto have its own ECU in the Scenic? Does the auto ECU intergrate with standard Scenic engine ECU, if so has any thought been put into integrating it to a 172 ECU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 22, February 2015 Author Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Auto? Does the auto have its own ECU in the Scenic? Does the auto ECU intergrate with standard Scenic engine ECU, if so has any thought been put into integrating it to a 172 ECU? Step #1 is to use the existing Scenic ECU on the RS-172 Engine. That won't be 'ideal', but we're hoping that it will at least work and save a lot of "complicated-issues". If it doesn't run that well I'm prepared to accept it until the issues are fixed with sensor-level convertors and so forth. According to the dyno charts I've seen for the 172, they have the same power as the standard F4R up to 5800rpm. So the standard Scenic ECU will go to there. After that, I won't be able to access additional power, but at least I'll be able to drive the car. After it's running, I should be able to introduce the 172 ECU in parallel sometime later, but that won't be this months priority. Obviously, if I really like the conversion and taking it to the track, I'll probably buy another and do a proper manual version if all goes well. Way too early to tell though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Missing out on a lot with a 172 motor if it's limited to 5800...... I've been looking at options for my mx5 and Jcar sell some cheap modules (bout 60-80 bucks each...... You also need the control interface which is $80 as well) which allow you to dynamically adjust the timing and fueling...... If they can override the renault ecu then you might be sweet......do a search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 This must be costing a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsdamo Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 (edited) I am not intimately familiar so there are many assumptions... assuming the Scenic has electronic shift solenoids in transmission / ECU for transmission control it would need to integrate with engine ECU for various parameters e.g. Road speed, engine speed, throttle pedal and throttle body position, Engine load (map sensor) for example. With a schematic for the Scenic standard engine ECU and transmission ECU it should be easy enough to determine the compatability / integration to a 172 engine ECU. Even then if it can be made to work (auto with 172 ECU) the transmission ECU will likely need reprogramming / reflashing, or fooling, if possible, to make use of 172's greater rev range. I.e. The standard Scenic transmission's ECU is probably programmed to shift much lower in the rev range than where a 172 with an auto should, at full throttle. I believe some after market ECUs can control automatic transmission functions as well, such as shift solenoids, lock up torque converters, etc. may be worth considering vs. reflashing, or fooling standard transmission ECU. Edited 22, February 2015 by itsdamo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Yep... But the ignorance and brute force approach is admirable. [emoji1] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 22, February 2015 Report Share Posted 22, February 2015 Yep .... [emoji12] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 8, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 8, March 2015 As an update, last night I collected the Rs-172 Engine from Nemz with ECU. So it's off for installation into the Scenic this week. It started off that I simply wanted to replace the inlet and outlet manifolds with RS-Parts. Now thanks to the kind and helpful people here, I've got a whole RS Engine and ECU and exhaust manifold - I'm so pleased. So at this point, the project is going better than I expected. Thanks all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Name is Earl Posted 8, March 2015 Report Share Posted 8, March 2015 You're a madman! And we all thank you for it [emoji1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safetyman Posted 8, March 2015 Report Share Posted 8, March 2015 Are you still on track for a Wakefield debut? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 8, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 8, March 2015 Are you still on track for a Wakefield debut? Hopefully. It's all in the hands of the mechanic now. To do the install and figure everything out. Pictures: http://ozrenaultsport.invisionzone.com/index.php?/gallery/album/27-upgrade-of-the-scenic-to-rs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 8, March 2015 Report Share Posted 8, March 2015 Still sceptical... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnut Posted 8, March 2015 Report Share Posted 8, March 2015 The techs in charge are quite competent. The only maybe if we ever actually get to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 24, March 2015 Report Share Posted 24, March 2015 How's this going.....?? Do I have to bring my $10 to the track day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 24, March 2015 Report Share Posted 24, March 2015 How's this going.....?? Do I have to bring my $10 to the track day? This has been verified, looks like you're up for the $10 mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC90 Posted 24, March 2015 Report Share Posted 24, March 2015 That is all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted 24, March 2015 Report Share Posted 24, March 2015 That is all... In the capable hands of Renotech I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 24, March 2015 Report Share Posted 24, March 2015 I'll go to the bank and have a tenner changed into 5c pieces for the occasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOOOOK Posted 24, March 2015 Report Share Posted 24, March 2015 In the capable hands of Renotech I believe You are correct. I've seen it with my own eyes! I'll go to the bank and have a tenner changed into 5c pieces for the occasion It'll be touch and go if it makes Wakefield though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 25, March 2015 Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 I'll go to the bank and have a tenner changed into 5c pieces for the occasion I'll give you 5 cents towards it if we ever meet ... 'cause I too remain skeptical that someone would go to so much effort and expense. Congratulations on 5000 (and two) posts!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsdamo Posted 25, March 2015 Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 Wow, if RenoTech are on this I really look forward to hearing about it how it was all integrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 25, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 The upgrade is proceeding ahead smoothly. This is the old engine being removed, and the RS-172 ready to go in: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 25, March 2015 Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 Will be a cool sleeper once it's up and running. Manual 'box would be better though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadrastu Posted 25, March 2015 Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 ^^^ got to agree there, can't see the old DP0 auto lasting very long......should've gone manual too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 25, March 2015 Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 I think a manual column shift would be appropriate for a sleeper van. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braymac Posted 25, March 2015 Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 Good on this bloke. R.S. scenic: for when your Mrs tells you to buy a family car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 25, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 25, March 2015 Will be a cool sleeper once it's up and running. Manual 'box would be better though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 26, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 26, March 2015 I have to leave the Auto there because of my wife who needs to be able to drive it and she doesn't have a manual license. Otherwise it would be manual. It is used more as a city and highway car - take the wife to the shopping centre. The intention was never to build a "Scenic for the track". Might happen later - who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokinacha Posted 26, March 2015 Report Share Posted 26, March 2015 Whats the kerb weight of a Scenic? Will RS suspension fit on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 26, March 2015 Report Share Posted 26, March 2015 Probably would if you changed the hubs as well...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pricey Posted 26, March 2015 Report Share Posted 26, March 2015 Saw this today....you're in good hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 26, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 26, March 2015 Whats the kerb weight of a Scenic? They're not very heavy. I think somewhere about 1300kg. About 100kg is definitely in the rear seats, so without those it's probably about 1200kg. I remember comparing the weight of the Scenic with my old mechanic one time and we saw that it's lighter than an RS-265 - or that's what we commented about anyway. Not super-heavy, and not super-light either. It won't be as fast as the "real" Clio RS-172 but I'm more interested in how it compares to a 2.4L Honda HRV/CRV VTECs etc. Will RS suspension fit on it? I'd lose the bodyroll.. this is the luxo-barge edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade Posted 26, March 2015 Report Share Posted 26, March 2015 (edited) 100kg in the back seat ...... Wow they must be pure lead.....strip those bad boys out !! If you were smashing WRX's before you'll be destroying Supercars now !!! Edited 26, March 2015 by wade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 27, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 27, March 2015 100kg in the back seat ...... Wow they must be pure lead.....strip those bad boys out !! If you were smashing WRX's before you'll be destroying Supercars now !!! I don't remember ever saying anything about WRX's and this car. They don't even notice an old white-refridgerator like this Scenic and I don't mind that at all. Haven't weighed the seats, but they're leather with heavy metal frames. They could be anywhere between 20k or 30kg each and there are three of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R182 Posted 27, March 2015 Report Share Posted 27, March 2015 I don't remember ever saying anything about WRX's and this car. It's with the dragging off M3 comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clixx-io Posted 27, March 2015 Author Report Share Posted 27, March 2015 >It's with the dragging off M3 comments. He may have been trying to set up launch control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSrwOnzy668 which was taking some time, and gave up Meanwhile, back on the Scenic, the RS-172 engine is in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkie86 Posted 27, March 2015 Report Share Posted 27, March 2015 You did say this back on the first page about the stock Scenic But so far so good. Performance is up close to some WRX's and an M3 from takeoff. But some worked Turbo Forester smashed me (by a little bit) so I can see there is more potential. And I haven't really even done much yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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